ITS FACT.

article is talking about Moore's Law and how it affects processing power

Attack Of The Sonians & it works both ways Maddens Raiders not one

Them girls must be really depressed now.

but in the end .. it's the truth

Thats why this article was posted idontcare because of the flame war. Thats this sites purpose. This site is not a news4gamers site it is more of a flamewars4sonians site & the owners of this site does not care or they would be interfering & fixing this site up.

hahaha....great article, this is how the xbox1 beat the ps2

and it is why I bought a PS3 from day one.

XFLOP 180 will die soon

MGS4, KZ2, FFX13, GT5, Socom

= Xflop takes a 360 degree spin...to failure.

Sorry billy, but petey has left. And Sony's just getting started.

XBox 360 games Killzone 2 and that console is just starting to warm up and as usual the XDF will have a flame war cause they would tell me that is all your comparing is that game to other games that is already out for there console that cant even survive for a month face it your console is starting to max out!.

Actions speak louder than words and thats a fact! I'm not going to let anybody tell me about what they think the future holds when we have not even gotten there yet! As of now the 360 seems to be a beast and I'm sure the games will improve more and more over the next couple of years! This is nothing more than spam and if the story were flipped you guys and gals would all agree!

So "In a recent conversation with an undisclosed developer source" and you people are spouting off that this is fact?? I am not going to go into the reasons but both systems have their share of bottlenecks.. This is simply saying that the processors are so different that it's going to be difficult to port PS3 -> 360. What developer did they speak too? A Sony dev?? an EA dev?? I think biased can have a factor on this, also if your programmers suck that can effect it as well.

The very fact that they are saying the 360 is being used to %90 of it's power seems silly. Code is optimized, compression get's better and these have effects on overall system performance. Then you have dev's like Epic who go on record saying they have "barely" used the power of the 360 and have a lot more room to improve.

Who knows what the future holds, but for some of the people commenting here stating this is fact is wrong.

Stupid article. 360 games using 90% of the power within the first 2 years of its lifecycle??? Yeah okay. Go ahead and believe that losers. But I remember the orginal Xbox still amazed in its last years with Doom 3 and Chronicles of Riddick. You sony boys are to funny.

The 360 is absolutely DESTROYING the ps3 in the gaming department.

Just more TALK from the Sony side and no ACTION.

You must talking about third party games.
1st party games from Sony already destroy anything you will ever see on the x360, starting with the size of Resistance and all the action going on on screen, to MotorStorm crazy physics and cars on screen at once, to Lair,Warhawk,Heavenly Sword,Formula 1 ect.
technically all this games are totally impossible on the x360, so yah Sony PS3 is already years ahead of the x360 games.
now its time for third party to take the PS3 seriously and give us PS3 owners same games worth $60 price tag.
like Unreal 3, Haze,Burnout ect.

its Lame. Although it is my personal opinion that the PS3 will eventually overtake the 360 .. it is not a legit article. I would love to see Kojima make this statement. Then, and only then will this statement be legit.

Sorry Maddens ... you and I have mutual respect so I hope you respect my opinion.

360 aint even in the same league

lol pure flamebait. There was very little in this article that's actually newsworthy, yet watch how many comments this article's gonna get.

Canadian NPD is out... somebody please post the news (I submitted a tip)

This is the truth, I bet some 360 owners repurchased systems for hdmi last month. PS3 is going to move quick after this fall and $299-399 price points. Anyone who thinks otherwise is living in a bubble. Madden 2008 was played by more players last month on Sony systems (ps2 an ps3), and more Sony systems were purchased (ps2 + ps3) PERIOD pop that bubble.

the PS3 will still have RAM problems. Hell, it's only got 512MB in total, for every thing, get it? Jeeez, you can't buy a graphics card with less these days.Of course, this applies equally to the 360.However you wanna split the memory up, it's a paltry 512MB, that won't increase no matter how much you wish it.them's the facts people,deny them if you choose.Neither machine will see it's full 'potential', because Sony and MS skimped on memory. Ever heard the saying 'you can't fit a quart into a pint pot', so true.

Really would like to know what the Dev's name is. Another Maddens Raiders post there will be n flame war this is ridiculous. Xbox ! beat PS2 from day one in the pwoer house department even though it was behind in Developer Hardware knowlge.

"Xbox 360 games keeping up with PS3, but not for long"

Seem to be having trouble being on par with 360 games let alone leaving it in the dust. PS3 isn't the only console producing better and better games.

More Maddens Raiders nonsense probably the most extream Sony fan on this site now he actually going through great lenths to tarnish the 360's image using false, slanderish & malice driven tactic unlike anything I'v ever seen in gaming.

its kinda odd this so called source. But if you read correctly it does give propz for ram, but it doesn't realy built on the ps3->xbox360 port. We havn't seen them so it pretty premature to think about it.And the 90% debate came out of nowhere, facts are being trown around that are not true.

FLAME!FLAME!FLAME!FLAME!FLAME! FLAME!FLAME!FLAME!

The article is basing its idea of Moore's law which if you don't know says every 2 to 2.5 years Processing power doubles. Since the 360's processing chip is 2 years old it is going to be very "old" compared to the Cell which still is "new." The article makes sense that 360 games which takes less processing power then a PS3 games gets port from 360 to PS3 however in the future PS3 games to 360 is going to be a little harder because the PS3 does have more processing power. Its like how games have different settings for the game to be played in
But in the end it is how many developers and supporters you have for the system.

FLAME!FLAME!FLAME!FLAME!FLAME !FLAME!FLAME!FLAME!

Fanboys FIGHT!! MORTAL KOMBAT!!!

ok well i'll play my games with my 360 u guys can go watch some bluray movies on ur ps3 to substitute for the lack of games, i hear they look excellent....................a nd this has no point since the ps2 was less powerful than the xbox and gamecube yet it still sold more so nothing is guaranteed than the 360 will fail so the developer can go c*ck f*ck his mouth .................and what garbage are u guys talking about the console being maxed out it took almost 6 years to max out the ps2 and it was weak as sh*t.......i mean come on i'm sorry MSFT made their console easy to develop for and get sh*t done on.

Okay, I know everyone is setting in the back saying yup another flame war is about to start. And guess what it has with me. The xbox 360 is a great system, and the power has not yet been fully published. How do i know this, I dont!!!!!! I'm simply stating something that is as fully backed as this article. None of this has any meaning and never will. I could quite easily state something down the lines of, I'm a developer with EA, I know that the xbox 360 has plenty of potential to go the distance with the ps3. But I don't because I am just a damn gamer like the rest of world of which doesn't know anything either. But for some reason someone will read this article and start throwing numbers in the air, like they had went to harvard for 8 years and know what their talking about. I would like to see something thats a little more constructive for the gaming industry as apposed to something like this article. Of which will only confuse the typical wal-mart shopper any more. And by wal-mart shopper i am referring to the typical drop out from high school that sets down in his underware and smokes pot all day long. But occasionally will set in front of a computer like myself and start describing to the world his or her feelings on the ps3 vs xbox 360 debate that has plagued this world long enough.

Oh wait it didn't. What happens when you are a developer and you don't have 17 million to make a PS3 game? What happens when you are a developer and you want to sell your game to the most people? Who has a larger install base? When will the PS3 outsell the 360 for one month? These are all obstacles for this supposed PS3 take over. Funny thing is the huge library of games sold the PS2. Remember one game doesn't get you to 120 million consoles sold. PS3 needs a huge library to overtake the 360 or the wii. It always comes down to games and install base. Why else would developers be making games for the Wii if it was all about power. One last thing this rumor is not gospel!!!

i think secretly deep down inside we all knew the ps3 was more powerful. Thats why xbox fanboys always use the argument xbox has better games. As of right now i own both systems and xbox has the edge. I like the in game blade access or whatever its called i like that you can play music i like that you can stream music from your pc while you play online i like that it has tons of games. However these are all things that the ps3 will have sooner or later and as soon as ps3 starts to show superior games then and only then will it begin to take the lead in this console war. Until then...

This battle is eerily similar to the days of Genesis versus SNES. We know who won that one.

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to get people to buy the PS3, so that developers will find it worth developing for and taking full advantage of the PS3.

Right now, they are finding it easier to work on the 360, they are making games on the 360 and the 360 is selling and games are selling. So the real challenge is in Sony's hands to break that trend.

"According to their source, it's easier on almost every level to work with the Xbox 360 in the development stage."

and

"While Xbox games can be tweaked to move up to the PS3, the reverse is not always the case."

So what does this tell you? The answer is simple! The Xbox 360 will continue to be the lead development platform this generation; devs will continue to use it as their lead platform because it offers better tools and more versatility for porting to the PS3, should they choose to do so. They will therefore have greater opportunity for exposure to a larger market.

Lmao at the sony fanboys talking as if this is good news for PS3! It just means that they can expect more of the same: ports.

Its expected that the memory the system uses is suppose to go down and give more memory for devs to work with. It already happened with the latest sdk.

Both consoles are very powerful. 512MB of RAM is a limitation that neither console can overcome. Why do you think most games are programmed for 720P instead of 1080P??? If you actually think that this "anonymous" souce has any credibility your an idiot. Who ever had anything to do with this article being submitted or accepted is responsible for spreading FUD on this site and starting a flamewar.

As far as this article. Yeah right I'm going to believe that a console thats not even 2 years old is already being pushed to 90% capacity and that this same person thought that PS3 games were being held back by the lesser performance of the 360 hardware and that eventually PS3 will win ths console war. I call BULLSH!T. Anonymous means false and unrealiable. Plus this source already contradicted themselves by saying the 360 has the advantage in RAM and development tools.

As an owner of both consoles I could care less who wins the "power" battle for the 2 consoles. Either way i get to enjoy the best HD videogames possible. So far I havent seen any PS3 game that couldnt be duplicated on the 360 and vice versa. Thats called "hands on" experience. You want to debate this, give me some more bubbles and you better be able to prove you own both consoles. Otherwise keep the fanboy noise to a minimum!!!

Xbox fanboys are right now about 355 degrees from surrender. By christmas they will be 359, by new year they will have passed 360 degrees, and will happily be playing the PS3.
They will ask themselves how they could have been so easely fooled by MS. But it wont matter cause they will be happy and the truth will set them free.

Priceless. There will still always be a market for the Xbox360 though. In a year I think it will be like a PS 2 1/2. A cheaper next gen system with alot of good games but not as good graphics, but will still go on to sell millions more if they fix the red ring issue. So it still is really up to Microsoft, invest in fixing the system and you could still have more units than the PS3 or die. the $399 PS3 is coming and I know a few people who has kids who might actually get one at that price. I have one and I love it. The PS3 exclusive games look much better and sound much better. it have a web browser and a Blu-Ray player so it has multiple purposes for the family. I watch movies off the Internet on my PS3 sometimes with the family which is something I did'nt excpet to use it for but it ended up being a cool feature for when I need it. Thanks Sony!!!!!!!!!!!

What the h@ll does it matter which system is more powerful? Does that make the games you play on your system of choice any more better or worse? Take last gen ps2(xbox had some good ones to but not as much as ps2) was less powerful yet it had really great games and thats why it sold and that will happen this gen to which ever systems have the best games will be the system to come out on top. I mean all this my system is more powerful than yours means nothing if you enjoy the games you are playing on be it the weaker system or the more powerful one. This gen is going to be a very close race no dought about it sony is 6million behind ms and probably slightly more behind the wii which means for the next 2 years all of them be fighting it out, sony to make up and pass it rivals and the others trying to keep there leads which means we will have many great games on both consoles for the next good while. Good gaming

LMAO i agree. its sad to see the x360 biggest killer apps this year have really sad graphics, from forza cartonish to bioshock looking like a last gen. game to halo ewwww unplayable graphics.
last year gears of war had some good graphics but only 2 enemies on screen with zero action and very short and boring u had all the xbois hyping the graphics left and right and now they are self owned.
obviously the x360 is to weak to handle both,thats why this games look like crap.

dont look that different from part2 and part3 then we can all say the 360 is maxed out.

Lets just wait and see....

2008 will be the year all answers will be backed by known facts!

360 wont have
Warhawk
HS
MGS
KZ2

and many other games coming to the PS3! You know why? Because the 360 cant handle them!

PS3 wont have
Halo3
Mass Effect
GPR
Bio Shock

you know why? Because the PS3 wont need em in a year!

You can say all you want about Warhawks size but till i see a 32player game run without lag on a 360 i will contuine to say its because the 360 cant handle it

Sony rules all

peace

*throws 2 cents

I love how people of which have no technical idea of how a computer works still post opinion based comments and try to back them up with irrelevant statements, that they call facts.

I dont mind people having an opinion on this site i mind the people that try to act smarter than they actually are.

Thanks PimpHandHappy for makeing the world a dumber place to live!!!!!!!!

Using the phrase "keeping up with" in the title is generous toward the PS3. "Outperforming" is more accurate.

The PS3 may be more impressive with processing in the long run (MAYBE), but I really don't ever see it blowing away the 360 graphically. But even if it does, does that mean all the games on the PS3 will be better? No.

The Xbox was more powerful than the PS2, but many people preferred the PS2's experience. If the neXtBox is more powerful than PS4, there will still be people who prefer the PlayStation experience over the Xbox experience, and vice versa. With every generation that comes out, there will be one console slightly more powerful than the other, but they will usually be on par with one another. From the 8-bit wars on up, this has usually been the case.

I think in future generations, the power of Microsoft and Sony consoles will [roughly] be on par with one another. And Nintendo? Who knows what the hell they'll do, but more power to them.

It's all about getting the console that you think is the overall better package. For myself, I prefer Xbox, because I love shooters and western style RPG's which we will see more of (Mass Effect)! Not to mention, most of my friends have Xbox Live. I don't really know anyone with a PS3 yet, so all of those factors helped me decide which console to get.

PS3 only has half its Memory available for games. me-a-So-sorry...

Moving on...

Its opinion not fact. If anyone has a brain they would know that.

Hold on, since when was the 360 trying to keep up with the PS3? It's the PS3 that still hasn't quite caught up to the 360. And what good is a developer's views if we don't eevn know if it IS a developer?

xbox 360 games have always been better than ps3 and nothin up and coming is impressive.

It's not Hardware that makes good software, it's software that makes good hardware. We've been hearing from the beginning that the Playstation 3 is more powerful but the current software doesn't reflect that. I care about playing games now. When the Playstation 3 comes out with good games. Than I will buy games for that system. As of the moment, the only game I'll be buying on Playstation 3 is WipeOut HD.

I kind of already got this on my own.If you think the PS3 is less powerful than the 360 you're clearly denial.But at the moment the 360 has plus its easy to work with but thats because it takes time to get programming down for the cell broadband processor and use to coding to the Blu-ray format.Basically the PS3 is advanced technology so we must advance to unlock its potential.

well if that means ps3 processors are more powerful the game developers should move to the ps3. But since 360 has more sales cause its been out longer, the companies move to that system for more profit. wait till the ps3 hits $399 then ir will outsell and more developers will move to the ps3.

Install Base will determine What games are made for what system,the systems power or lack there of power nothing to do with it. Its all about money and install base.

What a laugh!!! 90% of the 360's resources are being used! c'mon, devs are still using only 2 threads! (1 core)

I just read the most stupid comment on heer to date ok well maybe one of the stupid comments "bioshock has last gen graphics" now that was to funny just shows how stupid some fanboys really are. Thankyou n4g you never fail to make my smile when topics like this come up and I read all the dumba@@ comments on here. Power means nothing look at last gen look at the ds and psp no need to go on. Enjoy your systems and lets stop hating on the others cause at the end of the day most hate comments on here come back and bite you on the a@@ at some later date. Good gaming

Better is better... crap is crap.. and no matter how much smokes and mirrors the facts would be as clear as it can get.
The PS3 superiority should should be obvious... a difference between day and light. When the first Playstation was released no questioned that it was more powerful that the Super Nintendo. I don't recall having to wait 2-3 years for developers to learn and show us that the Playstation one was more superior.
If the PS3 would be so advance compare to the XBox 360 we wouldn't be having this conversation... none of these articles would be posted. facts can't be hidden. Games like Gears, Mass Effect, Bioshock, COD4, etc should not be released on the Xbox 360. Period... how is it that a piece of crap like the Xbox 360(as Sony fanboys continue to say).. is giving developers including 1st party developers so much trouble? Home come Gears kicked Resistance @$$ is terms of graphics even after resistance developer had more time and saw what gears looked.
You all have seing what the xbox 360 can do.. take a look at Gears... Mass Effect... Bioshock.. COD4 Beta... even if the Xbox 360 maxed out at that.. which is not true.. since there are always ways to improve and add performance even for PS2 games... I would be perfectly happy with games looking as good as bioshock.
The xbox 360 does not have to prove anything anymore... the PS3 does.
The key to a great console is not only hardware power but the development tools that allow developers to concentrate in making the games instead of figuring out how the hardware works and being forced to re-learn everything.

You sony fanboys should probably stop trying to insult the xbox 360 since you are insulting the PS3.... the so powerful PS3 is getting it's @$$ kicked by the so inferior last gen console (xbox 360) in terms of sales, games, development tools, graphics, online service, etc....
If you cant stand against a turd... that would make you a diarrhea.

i feel like this. refer to 2:40 in the video pertaining to this argument on how i feel.

Edit: a disagree? .......ok

EPIC are well known Developers in the gaming community,if the PS3 is so Powerful why cant Epic get UNREAL to run 60fps on the PS3?Because the Graphics will loose to much Quality and Epic said that them self.Take LAIR and HEAVENLY SWORD for the PS3, been in Developement over 2 years and they cant even hold a steady 30fps without Slowup.

1) FFXIII
2) GoW3
3) MGS4
4) KZ2
5) RE5
6) T6
7) Uncharted
8.) FFXIIIv
9) AC6
10) SO4
11) UT3
12) AC
13) GT5
14) LBP
15) HS

atleast for now. =)
what do you guys care about? console power or games? =))

The only reason why the PS2 won against the more powerful Xbox was because it had more proven franchises. This time around the PS3 still has it's franchises and is the more powerful system. Not saying the Xbox 360 doesn't have it's great franchises, but it's technology is older. A couple years with technology is a long time, new technology is coming out weekly now a days.

it's just funny that every day or every other post theirs a thread about how powerful the ps really is with the cell. yet noone has taken advantage of it. yes the ps3 looks good on paper. but when it comes to proformance it doesn't hold water to it's rival.just like basketball a team looks good on paper with the stars on the team. yet they don't make the playoffs. sony is starting to look like that.

so I say, keep waiting!! to those who only care about console specs.
we've been hearing this stuff for the last 2 years.

when are people going to learn that your opinion, as sad as it sounds, doesn't matter. Just because you voice your opinion doesnt mean it will be heard. I read uneducated, downrite stupid conclusions on here, all for what? To get yourself worked up about something out of your control? I got an Idea, pull up your big boy pants and play some games instead of waisting your time arguing like some girls on the 2nd grade basketball courts.

...here we go again. Another the grass is greener on my side of the fence debate. Who gives a damn. Just because one system has more potential than another does not mean its going to be more successful. If that was the case then the original Xbox would have creamed the PS2.

We all know the PS3 has potential but by the time is truly realized (through the release of AAA games and price drops) the Wii-2 will be well on the way along with the Xbox 720.

The PC still owns all.

What is stated in this story is true.

As Halo would say believe it.

But i'll answer a few questions on my own.

1)The only pc game that looks better then anything on console atm is crysis, but considering intel,microsoft,amd,ati,nvidia ., all have staff working full time at crysis studios, you'd expect the thing to look great. And this isn't a comment its a Fact, if you follow crysis development.

2)The xbox360 does have quite abit of power, 3 cores. and they'll hold steady for about another 1.5 years. After that depending on whats happening with sales, and with pc etc. we'll see.

Notice how newer games pc wise are using and needing more then one core? Dirt,lost planet(already on 360)alot of newer games are at least needing two now. Newer games such as crysis really want quad core.

3)Is the ps3 really more advanced then the 360?

Yes it is, quite abit really. Then you'll say No, but it has a last gen gpu in it, whats up with that.

Whats up with that, is RSX is nothing more then a texture and pixel painter. The real muscle is from cell.

So lets get a few things straight. PS3 Is more powerfull then 360.

And ppl say, but the graphics in games on ps3 are not as good etc as gears of war. Remmember guys and gals:) Gears of war is a massive texture beast, using alot of normal mapping and texture streaming.

I've already heard from epic, Saying ut3 is much more advanced, How advanced, only time will tell.

Cell on the other hand is rarely used properly and the tools for ps3 is indeed not as good as 360. But this is changing, just like anything takes time to get to grips with.

Even Valve have stated they are close to maxing out 360.

One last thing, the unreal 3 demo runs at 60fps. I'll wait for the full game to see if they've kept that.

COD4 runs on both systems at 60fps.

This is what i'm talking about, you won't see the difference in power until 2008.

"Xbox 360 games keeping up with PS3".

What console war has this guy been watching? The multiple platform titles have almost always been given screenshot, and sometimes video comparisons. In the vast, and I emphasis vast majority, the 360 versions are chosen as the visually superior. This article seems to falsely insinuate the opposite. The PS3 games have been trying to catch up, and recent games like Skate have in some ways done so, but to say the 360 is "keeping up" is senselessly avoidant. Something tells me the writer of this little article may have a certain amount of sexuality towards Sony.

Its the year 2010. They PS3 is $250.00 with good games and BluRay has won the battle. Im sold. Until then 360 it is.

ha ha who is this mysterious dev, nasim? lmfao, I guess this guy lives under a rock, HS is ps3 "killer app" atm, ha ha when your best game can be described as a "great rental" you know you're desperate for a great game.

well 360 fans shouldn't be surprised at all, remember what they said about how much better ps3 games would look prior to launch= more of the same WAITING sonykids are used to from the delaystation, then they end up getting games like Lair=

JOY

Jin, what are you smoking?, Forza2's customization options alone make it more fun than moto which is a very shallow racer (looks good but NO depth or substance) and lets not even start comparing physic's and handling of the cars, rfom? ha ha medicore at best, but well there wasnt much else to choose so sonykids had to buy something, keep on smokin jin, keep on smokin

right now, has come CLOSE to what is Motorstorm. There is NO game in the 360's library that can compete with motorstorm. Motorstorm is a first gen, incomplete game, and its kicks the CRAP out of ALL of the racing games that the 360 has to offer. Imagine what motorstorm 2 will look like.
Also, NO game comes close to the action intense game of Resistance. There is so much going on in the screen at once that the 360 would over heat if it saw Resistance fall of man playing on the PS3. These are First Gen titles, on a COMPLETELY new architecture for gaming, and it out shines what the best 360 games have to offer.
Bioshock is good, no doubt, but its NOTHING going on in it, its just a good looking title, with NOTHING going on in the game.
GOW is the SAME thing. The 360 has a lot of smoke and mirrors. Making everything really dark, and hiding all the objects in the game.
Killzone 2, pre-alpha looks way better than the finished version of GOW. Uncharted looks absolutley AMAZING, Heavenly SWORD is heavenly. We are getting so many great games before the 1 year mark, and the 360 didnt have crap when it hit 1 year!!
So, guys like NoBizLikeBlowBizz, and BaldStar, and Power Of Slime, are just the xbot zombies, who will defend their rushed out, RROD, over heating console no matter what. You people are pathetic, to give your money to a company that is giving you crappy hardware, and you actually think its okay to send to repair more than once. I pray for people like you.

PLAY B3YOND

RAM on the PS3 has never been a problem. It's only been a problem by xbox fanboys who go by there logic from there experience with PCs and the delevoper making Splinter Cell which is being paid by MS. The graphics processor is actually a bigger weakness if you want to talk about the weakness of the PS3, but if you're skilled at parallel processing then that's not a problem either.

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The xbox games are crap thats why it didnt sell it has nothing to do with the graphics or how powerfull the console is.

but this time around Sony has the most powerfull console with the best exclusive games, so far everything have been new ips Resistance,MotorStorm,Lair,For mula 1,Warhawk (remake),Heanvely Sword ect.
next year when the proven franchises like MGS4,FFXIII,GT ect. drop on the PS3 is will destroy anything out there, the x360 will have nothing.

This is why Sony will always win they think ahead.

The games will be the proof and 2008 looks like a good bet for that proof to be delivered in front of everyone's faces. Sony will have showed their hand by next week. Now it's Microsoft's turn.

Anyone expecting a PS2/Xbox difference this generation will sadly mistaken. There hasn't been a single game released either on an Xbox 360 or PS3 that couldn't be run on either system.

What ever makes sony boys sleep better at night.

Xbox out preformed the ps2 on every single front...but look how that turned out. Roll reversal anyone?

plain and simple.

PS3 still has to beat Gears of War. in terms of overall score + Awards.

Till then... keep waiting..

ppl are wrong for games that want processioning intensive task which has 0 to with pixel shader the psu will deliver in the future as for graphics ps3 fan boys im sorry but the 360 has a mroe advanced gpu and uses direct x tech while the ps3 does not mthe new game of kill zone does not use hdr lighting that is the only way it cud get antialisian believe u me kill zones filled withs spfx for a reason cause that what the ps3 is good for , graphics and pixel shading is what the 360 excels in u will see this with titles like halo single player and mass effect

Sony wins again.

This console war is an exact 180 from last gen. Last gen the ps2 was a weaker system but had more games then the x-box. Now the Ps3 has the power and the 360 has more games. And last gen the xbots were arguing the power of the xbox and the games were better quality and the sony fannies were talking about the library of games it had. I personally am a fan of GOOD GAMES and could care less what system its on. I own a wii and ps3 but my homie brings his 360 over often. I just dont understand why all the hate. STOP THE CONSOLE HATE!!!! Sure you can have to preference of system but blind faith and bashing of the other consoles that you dont own or play and just foolishness... Im sure the if the ps2 is still doing so well the 360 can keep up with the ps3 (which i love heavenly sword and warhawk are consuming all my free time) which i think is cool... more games for all!!!!!!

when ppl understand processing power does not give fps its the gpu then this thing wil end proccoser affects the amount of character Anthe screen thing like having a lot of stuff happing on screen nothing to do with grapics the ps3 in the fufutre will use a lot of proccossing power in its game but that means nothing and at the end of the day the xbox was desghn from the bottm up as a games console and has a much more adnced gpu then the ps3 so u will never see better grapics on the ps3 but better real time effects prolly like u see in kill zone which the texture are horrble but the fx cover that yo very well

The ignorance of you single console owning people is pissing me off. Both consoles won't be maxed out for a while and both have good games coming up. For the Moore's law fellow back there, yes, processor power and what not doubled every 2 to 2.5 years. Which means the PS3 will be obsolete in 4 years and Sony still plans on supporting it for another 5 years after that. The argument can go both ways. The 360 processor will be obsolete in a year or two but it doesn't mean that developers can't create good games for it.

Try owning both consoles before you run your mouths please. I own both. I have played the PS3 "AAA" exlusive games that are supposed to blow away the 360 in terms of visual quality. YAWN!!! Didnt happen. Hasnt happened. Wont happen. I love me some Warhawk. But those graphics could have been done on the 360. Heavenly Sword??? Oh wow they spent all that Blu-Ray disc space on some audio and cut scenes but forgot to make the gameplay last longer or be more challenging. I can basicvally beat the game with 1 button. RFOM, Motorstorm, Lair, etc... None of these games are so graphically impressive that they couldnt have been done on the 360. Its funny how somebody mentioned Unreal Tournament > Gears of War. You do realize the same developer made these 2 games right. Also the 360 version is coming out next year and I wouldnt be surprised to see it being the graphically superior version.

Those of you who beleive in the power of the "Cell" and Blu-Ray have obviously been brainwashed by Sonys Marketing so its pointless to even debate with you guys. Those of us who are dual cosnole owners know better. I'm sorry but my supposedly more powerful PS3 gets about 10% of my gaming time, the 360 gets about 70%, and my PC gets the other 20%. Put the kneepads away, step away from the Sony Sausage, and open your blind Sony worshipping eyes to other videogame experiences. Stop missing out on great games because you pledged allegiance to a Corporation who stole your lunch money to the tune of $600.00 for a Blu-Ray player that cant even keep up with its main competitor. Stop bragging about a free online service that blows A$$ compared to it's competitior. You get what you pay for, and BTW only Sonys dedicated Servers are worth a damn in Warhawk. I will never join a non Sony server again, lag, and random disconnects suck.

Wipe that Sony manchowder from your eyes, stop sipping that Sony coolaid and get a 360 too. That way you can see what the rest of us 360 owners have been enjoying for the past 20 months. GAMES!!!!!

Its about the games folks. PS360!!!!!

How do you people sleep at night? I meen do you lie down in bed and wonder, (did someone post a comment disagreeing with me). This is rediculous, the 360 has pros and cons, the ps3 has pros and cons, and the wii is just kicking ace.

Get over the whole he said she said bull sheet, and just enjoy playing games. I have an acount on both systems,

xbox live------- kennyfisterbotm
ps3------------- hokeypokey

come get some children. (not really directed towards children)

my 3000 euros pc is better than ps3 and xbox 360 >__>

anyway even if ps3 is selling slow ps3 exclusives are better than the xbox 360 exclusives and not to forget that ps3 is a year younger i wonder what would happen if 360 and ps3 had the same release date .

1. xbox 360 games look better than ps3. In any case the ps3 is keeping up with the 360.
2. Is your source Sony?? The whole upgrade to the ps3/downgrade 360 is plain stupid. NO DEVELOPER WOULD STATE THIS. Your buddy Phil H may.
3. Stop implying that eventually developers will prefer one system over the other. This is YOUR OPINION ONLY. Deal with facts. Until developers actually state this (I don't mean secret developers from area 51) you are just wasting our time. When will this potential ever show? In 09?
4. Not a fanboy; I own 360+HD DVD, 60 Gig Ps3, psp, ps2, DC, Genesis, etc. etc.

all over again. Can't wait for the game list and more cpu/gou specs. Who is selling more games right now. 360 is nuff said. If I wanted better spec I would build a gaming PC. I want kick a$$ games. And according to sales not FANGIRLS the 360 has games. 08 is PS3's year any fool can see.

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Killzone can go butt smash all the sony fanboys we all kno its gonna suck like the first one only god knows y they have so much faith in it

Xbots

E3 07 already proved the 2x power difference stated at the Sony Press Conference in 2005; TGS is going to prove that Sony lied. It's actually a a lot more than that, as some of the more technically-inclined indviduals on this site already know.

P.S.
I recommend watching the opening battle for Heavenly Sword if you want to see some clever programming at work, as well as what PS3 hardware allows developers to pull off. That AI code never touches system RAM; it all stays in SPU memory (i.e. Local Storage).

and in about 3 to 5 years us 360 FanBoys will have our Xbox 720's that will be 3x the Power of PS3 thats what matters.

i just don't get why you Sony Idiots continue to defend a DEAD Brand?

Compared to the games in the first 9 months of the 360 life the PS3 has blown away the 360.

The only games that system had in its first 9 months was Graw and GPR. Gears came a full year into its life.

Just remember the PS3 is not even a year old but yet its games strecth a broader spectrum of video games.

Go read popular science this month.....page 42-46

later

you guys keep talking about 360 launch games. you guys fail to realize that most of the 360 launch games were games that was supposed to be on the PS2 an xbox 1, they were cleaned up an made the jump to next gen. but anyway you cant compare 360 launch games to Ps3 launch games. do you think people are gonna walk into a store a say I WANNA SEE YOUR PS3 GAMES AN ONLY THE LAUNCH 360 GAMES, I WANNA COMPARE THEM!! they gonna compare both consoles NEW RELEASES.an right now the 360 has better looking games. an until the PS3 has a game that looks better than bioshock an gears you cant say that the PS3 is superior. I was running MAME games on my old 800mhz pc an they ran like crap, but when i got a new 3.2 gig HP them same games run smooth as can be, you wanna know why, because the new Pc is superior over the old PC. the same cant be said about the Ps3 an 360 but you guys still CLAIM the PS3 to be SUPERIOR, an without proof to make it so bad.

Sony has predicted this since launch day...
it sounds like a broken LP vinyl RECORD.

The xboters on this post sound f*&^#! butthurt!LMFAO!!Yeah I read somewhere else too the xbox360 is near max(i.e-MASS EFFECT:great looking game).Don't tell me a game like that is using any less power!You bots keep forgetting/in denial the PS3 came out a YEAR LATER!
You bots keep forgetting/in denial the PS3 games are MADE ON THE BLUERAY DISC!,it's not just for movies!And the blueray can hold a HUUUGGGEEE AMOUNT MORE THAN THE DVD9!So-THERE WILL BE PS3 GAMES MADE YOU CANNOT PUT ON THE XBOX360!-fact.
You bots with the KEEP WAITING comments,GET OVER IT,THE WAIT IS OVER THE TIME IS NOW!!!

PLAY B3YOND

flame on!!!

Thi Topic was posted by a PS3 fanboy so you know where this sh1t is going. As long as game cost more to develop PS3 owners Will continue to get the So-called sh1tty ports. How do some of this sh1t get approved i don't know but.

Guess what? im a Gamer and a Analysist and i predict that:

Sony will come in in 3rd right behind M$ and Nintendo.

I also predict thatSony Owners are more likely to have a PS Controller Shoved in their @ss after the holidays cause that will be the only exclusive game they can play together.

@ Sagat: Report these nuts. If thats the case report every mofo in this site.

On Topic: Whateva As long as the hardware is difficult,Expensive and time consuming this will happen all day.